Immigration

Immigration

  • America, sea, job
  • controversial, congress
  • Difficult, Wall, Beneficial
  • diversity, conflict, growth
  • diversity, cultures, freedom
  • Exciting, Controversial, Necessary, Frightening
  • Foreigners, difficult situation in their original country, opportunity, hardship
  • Highly contested, dreams, rights, safety
  • mexicans, workers, economy, worldwide
  • Moving, gene flow, diversity
  • moving, people, border
  • necessary, complicated, divisive
  • Necessary, diverse, inhomogeneous
  • Necessary, Opportunity, Diversity
  • New, Parents, Opportunity
  • New chance, escape, stressful
  • opportunity, sacrifice, improve, adapt
  • policy, ICE, Trump
  • surviving, hard-working, misunderstood, Trump
  • Trump, passport, refugees
  • Accueil, protection, réfugiés
  • Actualité , Problème
  • Banlieue, Africains, Réfugiés
  • Bateau, Pauvreté, Guerre
  • bon, chance, découverte
  • culture
  • culture, échange
  • culture, étranger, pays
  • Danger, exclusion, sacrifice
  • difficile, nostalgie
  • difficile, peine
  • individus, pauvreté, contrôle
  • Mexique, exil, étude
  • Noyade, indécision européenne, chance
  • pauvreté, aide, racisme
  • pauvreté,travail,justice
  • problèmes, aide, fuir un conflit et repousser un problème
  • Protection, accueil, refugiés
  • Richesse, contrôlée
  • réfugiés, asile, étudiants
  • Étude, recourt, Afrique du Nord
  • études responsabilité travail

Discussion

Au sein de l’Enseirb, comme au sein du MIT, nous pouvons constater une certaine hétérogénéité dans les réponses. Des idées reviennent des deux côtés : d’une part l’immigration est associée à l’échange culturel et serait favorable à la diversité. D’autre part, l’immigration est associée à une situation d’obligation pour certaines des personnes concernées, qui doivent fuir leur pays pour survivre.

France has been greatly affected by refugees from North Africa and the problem of drownings and terrorism, so it is not surprising that their attitude is much more cautious than the American attitude. Especially since Americans worry more about the economic effects rather than the safety effects.

There still seems to be more of a positive connotation of immigration reflected by the Enseirb column. Ideas such as opportunity, diversity, and dreams aren’t reflected in the MIT column.

*Are not

I disagree with Christien; I think positive ideas are very much represented in the MIT column. If anything, I think the MIT column reflects a more positive view of not only immigration itself, but of the United States’s place as a place of grandeur that provides for immigrants and gives them The American Dream, whereas the ENSEIRB column reflects a more realistic, gritty view of the conditions immigrants live in once they arrive in France. Could this be because of a difference in how aware the two groups of students are of the obstacles immigrants face in their county?

I would like to continue the discussion between Alexis and Christien. I think the difference in the views between ENSEIRB and MIT stems from the difference in the threats that immigrants supposedly pose to each country. In the U. S. the rhetoric is primarily economic, stating that immigrants are those who “take our jobs,” while in France the struggle is largely caused by the horrors of past terrorist attacks and finding ways to prevent them. Therefore, each side’s view will be influenced by the unique conditions in their country regarding immigrants.

I think it is remarkable the specific associations each country has with immigration. MIT students, for instance, are strongly concerned with the Trump-Mexican border conflict and everything around that. The ENSEIRB students associate immigration with North African refugees fleeing across the Mediterranean. These stories get the media hype, but I am interested in learning: are there other immigration issues that are getting glossed over because of the heavy attention on the above issues?

In response to Stephen’s post, I think this is an important factor to consider, particularly when a large part of the media is focused on creating a sense of fear, paranoia, and xenophobia. It’s important to step back and look at the bigger picture, not just the distorted snippets we get from corporate media. I’d like to ask French students: do you feel that in general French people are well-informed and relatively free of bias from media? I think Americans, in general, are not, as corporations dominate information.

It is interesting to see that most students from ENSEIRB mentioned “problème” , “réfugiés” and “pauvreté.” I believe these associations are due to the Syrian refugee crisis in the past couple of years. I wonder what ENSEIRB and MIT students think about immigrants in France or the U. S.

I noticed that MIT students did not mention any nationalities/races like the French did (‘Africains, Afrique du Nord’, Mexique). Do you think that there is a reason for this? Could it be because immigrants to the US typically come from all over world, while most immigrants to France are from around Africa and Europe (which notably was not mentioned).

Le fait que les étudiants de l’ENSEIRB-MATMECA assimile l’immigration à la pauvreté et l’Afrique est tout à fait symptomatique du climat qui règne en France. Ce climat alimenté par les politiques et certains media , la vérité est que en Europe les populations venants d’Amérique et d’Asie centrale ou de L’ouest ne sont pas considérés comme des migrants mais comme des Étrangers. Cette différence est culturelle car les populations européennes le marocain le sénégalais sont des migrants, la canadien et le japonais sont des Étrangers .

Abrito, peux-tu m’expliquer en quoi la France est affectée par l’immigration?

Pour repondre à victor et abrito, Je pense que abrito souhaitais dire que la France est affecté par l’immigration de part le flux migratoire provenant d’Afrique du nord mais également d’autres horizons. Après de là a faire l’amalgame entre ces flux et les attentats récents en France, il y a un fossé assez gros je pense.
Après comme le dit abrito il pense qu’il peut comprendre que certains français soit devenu rétissants m^me si cela n’est pas forcément justifier.

Considering France’s membership in the European Union, I am curious to know if citizens from other EU member countries who move to France are welcomed into society the same way citizens of non EU countries are welcomed. While the first has less limitations entering the country than the second, how does language play in the way local French people encounter with these immigrants? Meaning, are immigrants perceived differently if coming from a non French speaking country than if coming from another French speaking country?

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