A good job is a job
Un bon travail est un travail
carefully executed, that is completed on time.
for which I am always happy to do work
is fun and exciting
that doesn't take too long.
that gives you 40 fulfulling hours a week, but lets you go home at the end of the day.
that has flexible hours, good pay, good benefits, a good boss, good colleagues
that is both fun and lets you explore your potential
that is enjoyable, that can help other people
that is fulfilling and makes you happy, in which there is opportunity for advancement or promotion.
that makes you happy.
that one enjoys
that one enjoys doing, that pays enough for the amount of work/quality of work done.
that pays well, that allows for improvement and exploration
that poses challenges and keeps one interested.
that puts food on the table, and motivates you to wake up every morning
that u enjoy
that you enjoy
that you like.
that you love
to which you want to go every day, that challenges you without sucking you dry
where I can work outside and never do paperwork. A job where I spend all day sailing and I get paid lots of money. Actually, a good job is a job where I am boss.
where I get to do what I want when I want to do it.
who has good morals and values.
you enjoy doing and you find exciting.
approfondi
bien fait
bien fait
bien fait
bien fait
bien fait donc bien payé
bien fait.
complet
concis
d'équipe
d'équipe,de recherche , savoir les problèmes, bien analyser
fait en temps, forme et avec un certain niveau de satisfaction personnelle.
fini
organisé et structuré
où le temps passe vite
passionnant, réfléchi, évolutif
plaisant
que l'on aime et qui est bien rémunéré
qui nous plait
qui plaît
réfléchi, rigoureux
soigné, clair, convainquant
très bien payé
vite fait bien fait
épanouissant
Discussion
For the most part, the French students and American students held similar views about what a good job is. Both groups agreed that a challenging, fun, exciting job is the dream job. However, I did notice that American students were more concerned with the length of the work day while French students were more concerned with doing a good job and the working environment. Why is this? I know that Americans feel they are almost workaholics, and perhaps we wish we could avoid long work hours? Then, along this line of thinking, do the French wish they had a neater, more structured working environment?
I thought it was interesting that the word rigorous appeared in the French column. The French like their work to be structured and organized. Most Americans seem to think that a good job is a fun one. Also, Americans mentioned getting promoted as an aspect of a good job.
la differnce se fait essentiellemnt sur coté americain, sur l'avant, la preparation du travial alors que pour les francais cela concernat plus une satisfaction apres que le travail est été fait
I also noticed that the French don't put much emphasis on time constraints when it comes to their job - I think the we've asked this before, but maybe you (students at Paris II) could describe a typical day of work. How many breaks, if any, do you get? How long is lunch? What is considered as a full-time job, and what exactly do you expect from your job when it comes to benefits?
I think there was a difference in interpretation. The Americans took the word "job" to mean employment, while the French took it to mean work, in general, like homework, for instance. So, here's a question for the French students. What would be your ideal job? Is there a lot of emphasis on thinking about your future career while you are in school in France? At MIT, students are very career-focused. Some people think it is sad that we spend summers working at internships, rather than being normal teenagers, lazing around, or waitressing. Thoughts?
A question for the French students - recently the working week, I understand, was limited to 35 hours a week. Do you believe this has had good effects, on the quality of life, and on the economic situation?
Another interesting thing I noticed is that teamwork was mentioned more often by the French students. Does this have to do with the positive approach Americans have towards individualism?
I was noticing that of the latest census information, only 63.4% of women in France (http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/chifcle_fiche.asp?ref_id=NATCCF03103&tab_id=3...é) work compared to the overwhelming percentage of women in the US of 95.7 (http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/gender/ppl-121/tab10.txt). Although the American numbers seem very high to me, the French numbers seem low. Is there a reason for this large variance? Is this a direct effect of a higher level of unemployment, or are more women expected to stay at home?
It was quite interesting to see a poll on the subject of the 35 hour work-week instituted in France. It seems France is rather split on the subject, with 43% of those polled totally approving of it, while 56% totally opposed it. http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/opinionf/devenir35h.asp Is this a topic the French talk about often, and what are you own feelings on the 35-hour work week? Perhaps our generation holds different opinions from the older generations, even in France?
I am a little perplexed by the poll Marie posted. It seems to say among the general french population, 43% favor overturning the 35 hour work week, while 58% of business owners would favor overturning it. Am I reading this wrong?
One of the promises of the 35 hour working week was more jobs created.. to the french studetns, has this happened, and is this why many business owners oppose the law?
Sorry, I did interpret the poll incorrectly. Angela, what you read is correct, but also, a 43% of employees favor overturning the 35-hour law, while 56% of employees favor keeping it.
Bonjour, désolé de la part de étudiants de PARIS II qui n'ont pas encore répondus à vos questions. La perception du travail n'est pas la même pour vous. Vous avez une vision plus pragmatique du travail(I like your definition "workaholics") que les Français. pourquoi? je n'en sais rien, je suis Argentin, mais ce que je peux vous dire c'est que contrairemnet à ce que l'on peut croire, il y a deux sortes de travailleurs: Des gens travaillent dans l'administration et dans des petites sociétés arrivent à travailler à 35H par semaine. D'autre part on constate qu'il y a un grand nombre de salariés "cadres"= "executives" qui travaillent à peu près 52h par semaine.(maybe de french "Saint Emilion" workaholics style)
A la question, qu'est ce qu'un travail idéal pour un français, je pense qu'il existe deux types de situation: La première concerne les personnes non qualifiées, pour qui le travail est envisagé comme une contrainte. Ils essaient de travailler le moins possible (35h) pour avoir le plus de temps libre, tout en s'assurant d'une source de revenus minimum. La deuxième situation nous concerne un peu plus (étudiant MIT/Paris 2) puisque nous espérons que notre travail contribuera à notre développement personnel. Et là nous distinguons encore deux types de personnnes. Il y a ce que l'on appelle les "Carrièristes", pour qui un bon travail dépendra de leur réussite professionnelle. Et d'autres pour qui un bon travail sera un travail leur permettant de s'accomplir dans tous les domaines (affectif, intellectuel...).
Pour répondre à la question de Jorge: Un "cadre français" travaille en moyenne 10h par jours pendant 5 jours et prends une heure pour déjeuner le midi. Après comme dans tous les pays, on peut trouver de tout!! Mais je pense que tout dépend des objectifs de chacun à créer son univers...
La définition du travail idéal est en effet une question bien personnelle. Je pense qu'il est possible de segmenter les réponses en trois catégories : - "Le travail où l'on effectue le moins d'heures possible", qui correspond a une situation ou le travail est vécu comme une contrainte. - "Le travail où l'on gagne le plus d'argent", qui correspond à une recherche d'ascension sociale forte. - "Le travail qui vous passionne", qui correspond à une recherche d'épanouissement professionnel. Finalement, le travail idéal ne serait-il pas un compromis des trois?...