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I was wondering if someone could possibly suggest a reason as to why French parents, in the survey on what they wanted their children to learn most, responded "integrity" the least (only 11% said it was one of the most important things to teach them). Do you think this contradicts the 2nd most common response being honesty? To me, integrity and honesty are very similar ... do you find them to be entirely different character traits, and if so, how/why?

I have another totally unrelated question that's not really about a contradiction. I was looking at statistics about salaries on quid.fr and it said that 78.8% of "salariés pauvres" where women. Why do you think this number is so high?

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Regarding the American attacks on Aghanistan, I think it's quite clear that the INT students form a fairly lopsided sample of the general French population. Most of the INT responses on the forums were predominantly against the American attacks on Afghanistan. One of the statistic sets from "Sondage IFOP", however, show that 69% of the French population approve of the American attacks! This just goes to emphasize the fact that we need to handle the extrapolations about French culture that we make based on the responses and thoughts of the INT students with care and with the foreknowledge that we really are dealing with a fairly unique collection of the general French population.

On the other hand, I think the INT responses to the word "ecole" agree quite well with one of the statistic sets on IFOP despite the large difference in age groups between the two sample populations.

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Yes, just as Onsi mentioned, it was surprising to see that according to IFOP the majority of French were in favour of the attacks on Afghanistan. I too got the impression that most French were opposed to such attacks. I was, however, even more shocked when I saw that the British, with the UK always being America's best friend, were strongly against the attacks. Especially so, since it is British troops along with Americans who are carrying out most of the attacks.

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Regarding the survey regarding "L'attitude à l'égard de la riposte militaire américaine en Afghanistan" I noticed that the French aprove of the US attacking Afghanistan. I was wondering if the french community is oppsed to France intervening with Afghanistan. I am curious about this because the french are against attacking countries other than Afghanistan that harbor terrorism. Is the attitude in France mainly against Afghanistan or terrorism?

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For personal reasons, I was more attracted by the topic of the European Union and the introduction of the Euro as a common currency. In a report that I found at "Canal Ipsos" it is mentioned how the among the eight european contries that were tested, France the biggest number of Euro-skeptics. The report also mentions the fact that young poeple tent to have less problems with the idea of a common currency. This is in fact in accordance with the comments of the INT students which were overall welcoming the Euro.

The question is then pretty obvious but probably not so easy to answer: why are young people more "Euro-verse" and what are the main concerns of the older french population?

-Claudio

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http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/OPINIONF/bioattentat.asp
I thought that it was really strange that in the survey on "La probabilité d’une utilisation par des groupes terroristes d’armes bactériologiques ou chimiques." Over 50% said that "no" that they didn't think there would be bioterrorism. Only 40% thought that there was a decent probability that bioterrorism would be used. I found this really strange considering that its being used right now in the US.. This is real! I was just wondering why the French don't seem to fear or expect the same...?

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Les jeunes français sont plus en faveur de l'euro car ils ne se sont pas habitué au franc au point de devoir faire la conversion euro/franc a chaque fois, lorsque l'euro sera là. Ils sont plus adaptables.Par contre, les personnes les plus agées ne voient pas l'euro d'un bon oeil car il leur a déjà fallu beaucoup de temps pour s'habituer au nouveau franc (=100 anciens francs). Certaines personnes parlent encore en anciens francs(!!!).

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salut onsi(quel prénom original, je me demande de quelle origine cela peut bien etre), tu as effectivement bien remarqué que nous, élèves de l'int, ne représentions qu'un échantillon de la population française et qu'en aucun nos réponses ne sont représentatives du mode de pensée français en général. Et je pense que cette certaine homogénéité au sein de l'int (à contrario de l'etre avec les reste de nos compatriotes français) est surtout du au fait que nous venons tous plus ou moins du meme milieu social ou meme mieux que nous avons tous plus ou moins eu la meme éducation. D'ailleurs je pense que si on faisait des petits sondages au mit on aurait le meme genre de réponse, à savoir que les étudiants ne representeraient qu' une manière de voir les choses.
avant de te laisser j'aimerais juste que tu me dises ou trouver les réponses des sondages IFOP qui m'ont l'air tout à fait interessants.

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Je voudrais faire remarquer qu'en effet 69% des français sont pour les bombardement en Afghanistan mais d'après le sondage publié par Canal Ipsos seulement 17% approuvent la manière dont les américains mènent les attaques en Afghanistan. Il faut faire la diiférence entre approuver le fait qu'il faut détruire les camps d'entrainement terroristes et bombarder tout et n'importe quoi comme c'est le cas actuellement. Je pense que les français n'apprécient pas les bavures comme bombarder les entrepos de la Croix Rouge ou les civils tués. La majeur partie de la population est contre la manière dont la guerre est menée et non pas contre les raisons de cette guerre.

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Anna, je pense que les français ne sont pas trop inquiets pour le moment car nous n'avons pas eu de cas d'antrax sur le territoire pour le moment. La population vit donc ce phénomène d'assez loin même si nous en entendons parler à la télé. De plus, la France n'est pas vraiment impliquée dans la guerre. Même si le gouvernement assure son soutient militaire, nous ne faisons pas gros chose. On ne craint donc pas trop les représailles. Cela explique peut-être pourquoi la population reste optimiste

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Bonjour à tous,
Ne pensez vous pas que certains sondages sont un peu trop optimistes pour montrer aux terroristes que "les Américains n'ont pas peur?

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je ne pense pas que les sondages aient un but de propagande même si dans le cas des etats unis ils paraissent extremement optimistes...a mon avis si on faisait un sondage aupres des talibans ce seraient 100% d'entre eux qui seraient surs de leurs victoires, et donc propagande ou pas je ne pense pas qu'un tel sondage affecte qui que ce soit. concernant les francais je suis decu que tant de personnes approuvent les bombardements.

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Gabriela au clavier bonjour,
Je voulais savoir si le fait de bombarder l'Afghanistan pendant le Ramadan(fête symbole des pauvres des opprimés) ne pourrait pas renforcer la coalition islamiste?Meme s'il est évident que l'on ne peut pas arreter les opérations pour chaque fete,pensez vous qu'il existe une autre alternative?

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Salut Kathleen !
Par rapport à ta question sur les 78.8 % de salariés pauvres étant des femmes, je n'ai pas réussi à retrouver la page sur Quid.fr pour bien comprendre.
Il est connu de tous le monde en France que si, dans la loi, les femmes doivent, à égalité de responsabilités et de compétences, gagner autant que les hommes, ils se trouve que dans la pratique, elles sont payées 20 à 25% de moins en moyenne que les hommes, pour un travail pourtant identique ! Elles sont donc moins payées en moyenne, et ont (en général) moins d'opportunités que les hommes, même si il semble que ce chiffre de 78.8% soit en effet énorme...
J'ai trouvé sur understandingusa.com (url : http://www.understandingusa.com/chaptercc=3&cs=52.html ) des données intéressantes qui montrent que, même si les américaines semblent être privilégiées par rapport aux françaises, elles représentent une grande partie des bas revenus.
Il semble que les progrès de la condition féminie n'aient pas été, d'après ces chiffres, ceux que l'on a cru. Une telle situation soulève-t-elle des relans féministes aux Etats Unis ?

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Hi everyone,

I posted the following message in the forum about "reactions to
situations," but it seems appropriate for this forum, and perhaps
few people saw it at the other location (it was posted very late):

I am finding it very hard to judge how often children are
clobbered by their parents, even in the cultures that I know
fairly well, since normally this happens in the privacy of homes,
and infrequently in public. And so, perhaps the results of surveys
are helpful: I was surprised by the results!

In the U.S., a recent Gallup survey (1995) showed that 89 % of
parents with children of three years of age admitted to hitting
their child (exactly what "hitting" means is not explained in
detail). In a survey of parents with "young teenagers", about 32%
of parents admitted to hitting their child. The results for some
other countries are listed on the website endcorporalpunishment.org.

Also on the web, I found recent results for France: D'apres un
sondage SOFRES de janvier 1999, 80% des parents donnent a leurs enfants gifles et fessees quand ce ne sont pas des coups de martinet ou de ceinture.

Voila -- now we know which is more brutal (although not by much). ;-)
Also, it seems clear that the responses on both sides (the
American side in particular) regarding "reactions to situations," does
not reflect mainstream opinion.

Wes

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Hey, Gerardo,
In fact the British seem to be in favor of the attacks on Afghanistan (65%), although somewhat less than a month ago.
(MORI
http://www.mori.com/polls/2001/ms011104.shtml)
In similar number they also support the involvement of the UK troops in the
military actions.

I find such an approval a bit surprising, since according to the same poll, only 33% believe the attacks have been successful so far.
Do the people in Britain feel in danger of direct terrorist attacks so much that they think the not-so-effective attacks should nevertheless continue? I don't really see why.

What about the French? Is the concern for their own future the reason of the similar attitude toward the strikes?
(Capucine, it seems that the support and the belief in the effectiveness of the campaign are not the same thing)
After all, they have felt the effects of terrorism on their own skin
and do have actual reasons for the concern. The explosions in Paris in
1995 happened in a different context, but do they still affect the
public opinion in this matter?

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I read the results of a survey of French opinions of Hollywood's reactions to the events of Sept. 11.
(http://www.canalipsos.com/articles_fr/0110/hollywood/hollywood.htm)

I find it interesting that so many times, the people under age 35 disagree with the rest of the respondants. For example, people under age 35 do not think that potential terrorists could gain ideas about possible targets or methods by watching action films about fictional terrorist attacks. Also, 70% of people under age 35 thought that images of the World Trade Center towers should not be removed from current films. In fact, 44% (of all people) would be less likely to see a film if it had been altered in this way!

Do the students of INT agree with these findings?
Why would you be less likely to see a film it if had been edited to remove the WTC towers from the New York skyline? In the U.S., this gesture is interpreted as one of respect toward those who were affected by the Sept. 11 attacks. Would this not be interpreted the same way in France?

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I was reading the surveys on the webpage, http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/opinionf/vfamille.asp and I was surprised that on the second survey, that a sense of family was not rated higher. Other surveys, such as the first survey, in addition to the forum on family and a good parent, indicate that the French value their relationships with their parents and that their parents are supposed to teach them values. Then why is it less common for French parents to teach their children about a sense of family of family is considered important?

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Upon reading the first two surveys on the site, http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/opinionf/appli35h.asp I feel that the respondants do not feel that the 35 hour law is that more positive than negative. I am especially curious about the mixed responses regarding the social climate at work and the effects that caused probably caused one to respond either positively or negatively. Do you feel that the 35 hours reduces the amount of time that you have for breaks and thus negatively affects the social climate?

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Je ne pense pas que les 35 heures affectent les temps de pause. En France, le personnel fait un vrai repas le midi (et pas juste des sandwichs) mais le temps dont il dispose pour manger n'est pas comptabilisé dans le temps de travail. Quelqu'un qui travail 7heures par jour pendant 5 jours peut prendre le temps qu'il veut pour manger tant qu'il fait ses 7 heures de travail. Le problème avec les 35 heures c'est qu'on demande le même travail qu'avant au personnel mais en moins de temps. Il en resulte notamment une plus grande flexibilité dans le temps de travail. C'est ce qui est dure à accepter pour certains. Par exemple, dans certain métier on va demandé au personnel de travailler 10 heures par jour l'été et seulement 5 l'hiver. Pour résumer, on doit toujours faire la même quantité de travail mais le temps de travail est réparti différemment.

engage