France
France
artsy, fancy, pretty
Beautiful, ancestors, food
cuisine, tradition, the Enlightenment, ironic
culture, Chanel, elegance
culture, food, tradition
Eiffel Tower, cheese, fashion
exotic, romantic, Paris, Eiffel Tower
fashion, food, culture
Fun
history, fashion, Paris
international, travel, paris
Paris, Eiffel Tower, Croissant
Paris, food, French
paris, love, good bread
secular, socialist, lovers
sexy, gorgeous, brilliant
traditional,beautiful,peaceful
camembert, maison
cuisine,luxe,vin
démocratie, culture, histoire
Gastronomie, culture, mode
gastronomie,luxe,mode
Histoire, cuisine, tour Eiffel
histoire, gastronomie, art, mode
mode, culture, littérature
Paris, gastronomie, grève...
Paris, nourriture, Tour Eiffel
Révolution, Baguette, Vin
tour Eiffel, baguette, béret, fromage
Tour Eiffel, béret, saucisson, fromage
tour eiffel, chocolatine, fondue savoyarde
tour Eiffel, cuisine, Paris
vin,culture,élégance,liberté
vin,tourisme,histoire
Discussion
Gastronomie
La nourriture française est très réputée à l'étranger. Quelles sont les raisons de ce succès ? Quelles sont les caractéristiques et particularités de cette cuisine ? Pour vous, la gastronomie française est-elle une bonne cuisine étrangère comme la cuisine asiatique ou italienne, ou alors la classez-vous dans une autre catégorie ?
Paris
La plupart d'entre vous pensent à la ville de Paris quand on évoque la France, mais avez-vous entendu parler d'autres grandes villes françaises ? Pour nous, quand on parle des Etats-Unis, nous avons en tête un certain nombre de grandes villes américaines, et pas une seule en particulier (New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Washington, Boston, ...).
Vous avez tous cité la tour Eiffel, connaissez-vous d'autres monuments et intérêts de la ville ?
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Olivier et Jonathan
Food:
Many of the French students mentioned food or at least something edible in their word association with France. The MIT students on the other hand talked more about fashion and Paris/The Eiffel Tower. It is interesting to see what each group thinks of when they think of France. Is fashion not as big in France as everyone in the US seems to think? Do people in France value food more than Americans know?
Eiffel Tower/Paris:
Paris and the Eiffel Tower are definitely the best know city/ landmark in France that Americans know of. Honestly, this is probably because of the movies. Every American movie that has France in it probably at least mentions Paris and the Eiffel Tower. Not much is known other than that and since Americans started watching movies at a very young age, when they think of France Paris and the Eiffel Tower are probably the first things that pop into their heads. That's why almost all of the posts have Paris and/or the Eiffel Tower. What monuments/landmarks do you think of when you think of the US?
Teri
Gastronomie :
Il me semble que la mode est importante en France mais celà dépend de la situation géographique et du milieu social. Par exemple, des parisiens penseraient probablement plus à la mode ( mais pas forcément moins à la gastronomie ) que des prinvinçaux.
Néanmoins, il suffit de me promener dans le centre ville de Bordeaux pour me rendre compte que je suis complétement hors de la mode. J'aurais tendance à dire que les étudiants de l'Enseirb-Matmeca ne sont pas un bon échantillon pour se représenter les "fashion victims" en France.
Une chose est certaine : les français apprécient la nourriture. Toutefois nous ne mangeons pas spécialement français et de nombreux restaurants aux spécialités étrangères sont présents en ville. La nourriture française a tendance à promouvoir l'alimentation "bio", ce mouvement est-il également important aux Etats-Unis ? Trouve-t-on aussi facilement des rayons bio dans les supermarchés voire des magasins exclusivement bio ?
Paris :
Les images concernant les Etats-Unis proviennent également des films et des séries américaines pour la plupart d'entre nous. Certains évènements retransmis internationalement comme les tornades ou la marée noire de BP, proposent parfois une autre vision du pays.
Personnellement, une pensée aux Etats-Unis me tourne d'abord vers l'Empire State Building symbole du monde des affaires américaines mais aussi au Golden Gate Bridge de San Francisco en souvenir de films comme Xmen 3 ou de séries comme Charmed. Le côté "vacances" aux Etats-unis s'accorde plus avec Miami et ses plages...
Vous ne pensez pas également au côté "vacances" avec la côte d'azur / méditerranée en France ? Les villes comme Cannes, Marseille, Nice, St Tropez ne vous évoque rien ?
Concernant la gastronomie, un point important a été soulevé, notre vision de la gastronomie dépend, plus que de nos origines sociales, de notre éducation. En effet j'ai bien sûr en tête l'image que certains chefs étoilés renvoient de la France, mais je mange bien plus souvent des plats très basiques ou même des plats étrangers ou dans des fast foods.
Pour Paris et la Tour Eiffel je dois reconnaître que les Français eux-mêmes jouent la dessus et que lorsqu'on demande en 3 ou 4 mots de dire ce que représente la France, il est bien plus que probable que ces symboles ressortent systématiquement.
Il faut aussi penser que la France joue beaucoup sur ces symboles pour attirer les touristes.
I've traveled to many cities and towns in France. Just to name a few, Toulouse, Arles, Ville Franche, Nice, Honfleur and Remmes.
My spouse and I rented a canal boat and traveled to Auxerre. We rented a convertible Smart car and drove through the Alps Maritime.We also went to Normandy to see the U.S. graves and to see the site of the dramatic landing of U.S. soldiers (we also oysters there).
We were in Paris in November and loved a dish we ordered twice at street cafes -- tagliatelle with a barely cooked egg. I know it is touristy and expdensive, but I love to sit at Cafe de Flore and watch people going by and drivers trying to park. Cafe de Flore has an excellent salad with cheese and ham.
On monuments, once when we had a rental car, I drove around the Arc de Triomphe! That was thrilling!
I notice history came up a lot on the French side about France. Why do you think? What do you think is the symbolic dish of France? What do you think of Starbucks coffee? Do you like any food at McDonald's?
I have been to cities in France other than Paris as well, but I don't really think of the other cities that Christophe mentioned when I think of France.
And going back to the food thing, there is American food that isn't McDonald's. Thanksgiving dinner type foods like turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce as well as macaroni and cheese are also popular home-cooked, comfort foods. What are the comfort foods of France?
Oliver and Jonathan--I definitely put French food in the same "foreign foods" category, like Asian and Italian. However, there are not as many French restaurants here in the US as there are of Italian, or Chinese, so I don't think it's as well-known of a food type. Mostly, when we think of French food, we just think of cheese, wine, baguettes, croissants, but most Americans won't actually be able to name a French dish.
Christopher--Organic foods have definitely become popular in the last few years. Yes, we have organic aisles too, just like the French!
Interesting. Unlike QinQin, I don't really think of French food the same way I think of other "foreign foods." Part of it is the level of fanciness/price associated with it. In my mind, the stereotypical fancy restaurant would serve French food. Other "foreign foods" like Chinese food, Indian food, Mexican food, etc. are generally less expensive and more common.
The other thing I think of when I think of French food is Julia Child. Have the French students heard of her? She did television cooking shows in the 60s to teach American housewives to cook the like the French.
I agree with Laura. Whereas we can order Chinese food, Indian food, Thai food, cheap Italian food, etc., restaurants that serve French food are not available for ordering.
I do agree with what QinQin said regarding the fact that we think of cheese and baguettes, but I think we think of more fancy cheese and more delicious and fresh baguettes, or just something that we cannot ordinarily have in the US.
What are some common dishes that people eat in France? I think sandwiches and pasta with tomato sauce are common lunch and dinner dishes. How about in France?
Effectivement, le fromage est une part assez importante, chaque région a ses fromages typiques. Mais après, d'une famille à l'autre, il a une place importante ou absolument pas.
Au niveau des plats habituels, je pense qu'on peut effectivement dire que les pâtes sont assez courantes (surtout pour les étudiants) mais les plats à base de riz, légumes sont aussi courant.
Pour reprendre sur les propos de Christophe, la gastronomie francaise et l'image portée par Paris est effectivement surtout le fruit de ce qui en est vu par les medias. Et donc bien souvent légèrement différente de ce que nous pouvons voir d'elle.
C'est difficile de trouver des plats typiques Français, en général, on raisonne plutôt en terme de régions. Par exemple, je suis originaire de Haute-Savoie, près des Alpes. Les spécialités là-bas sont la raclette, la fondue et la tartiflette (toutes des spécialités à base de fromage fondu). Mais à Lyon on aura des andouillettes ou des quenelles.
Les spécialités seront encore différentes que l'on soit à Bordeaux ou en Bretagne.
Il y a tellement de plats (de même que de patisseries, fromages) qu'on en connaît même pas la moitié.
Est-ce que c'est la même chose aux Etats-Unis ?
Pour ma part, j'ai été en Californie et à New-York et c'est vrai qu'on ne mange pas du tout la même chose.
The food is definitely different in each region of the US. For example here in New England, the clam chowder is and other seafoods are really popular because we are next to the ocean. If you live in one of the landlocked states though, you would probably not eat seafood as often because it is less popular.
The south also has a very distinct flavor, especially if you travel down to the Louisiana area. Louisiana has a lot of French influence in their food, but there is also a lot of cajun spice in their food. Southern food is usually considered to be really well flavored.
There are many other types of food that can be found in various regions throughout the US. Soul food is what African-American food is called and there is also a lot of Tex-Mex food that is popular. Tex-Mex is Americanized Mexican food and many Americans think of that as Mexican food because they have never had real Mexican food before.
Plats typiques :
Voici une liste de quelques spécialités régionales françaises assez communes :
Pour faire plaisir à mes origines, j'aimerais rajouter à ces plats les escargots de bourgogne. Est-ce que les escargots se mangent aux Etats-Unis ?
Pour représenter les savoies, j'aimerais ajouter à la liste tous les plats à base de fromage, tels que la fondue, la raclette, la tartiflette, et autre reblochonade !
Je pense que vu les normes sur les importations, vous ne pourrez connaitre la saveur de chacun de ces plats qu'en venant les déguster en France.
Beaucoup de personnes trouvent bizarre le fait que les Français mangent des escargots, des grenouilles, voir même des lapins.
Cela vous choque t'il aussi?
Jonathan - We have definitely heard of beef bourguignon and crepes. In some restaurants, beef bourguignon can be pretty easily found, and there is even beef bourguignon frozen food. Crepes are also definitely well known as something that is common in France, but it is treated as more of a specialty, although I have personally made crepes many times before (I am a fan of crepes).
While I think the menu at McDonald's (and other fast food places) in the US is about the same, the price is very different. Here fast food is a lot cheaper - a small cheeseburger costs about $2, I believe, and larger burgers (like a big mac) are around $4-5.
Jean-Baptiste - most people in the US do not eat snail dishes. I had escargot for the first time in Paris last summer. I believe escargot is probably served in fancy French restaurants, but probably not anywhere else.
Thibaud - I think they are interesting choices for ingredients, but I find it more interesting than shocking. I have tried foie gras and escargot, but if someone were to give me a frog dish, I probably would not eat it.
Jonathan, I was wondering what kind of people eat McDonald's in France. In the US, McDonalds usually caters to those who can not afford healthier meals, so it is something that targets the poor to middle class. The restaurants are usually dirty, and it is not uncommon to find homeless people eating there, since they can get a large meal for three dollars. Nevertheless, I have been to other countries where McDonlads was much more expensive and cleaner. In Brazil, for example, only the middle class and higher can afford to go there. How is it in France? Do french families eat fast food in a regular basis? Is it something that only students eat? Is there a French fast food restaurant that is popular?
Thibaud --
I agree that the food in the United States varies greatly by region and, even with all the mixing of people and foods, different areas keep a food identity. For example, I am from the Washington, D.C., area and Maryland blue crabs are very famous. So in the summer, we go out to eat these specific crabs frequently. Now, living in Cambridge, I like to eat Massachusetts oysters (from Cape Cod) and Maine lobsters. It's not that I didn't eat lobsters in Maryland, but they just felt "imported." And on the West Coast, in California, they haev dungeness crabs. They are wonderful, but are much larger than Maryland crabs and definitely have a different taste. The seafood is best on the East Coast of the United States!
Adding to what Sumin said, McDonalds is pretty inexpensive here. For example, they make a big deal out of their "dollar menu," which is a list of items you can get for only $1, and includes some burgers, some sandwiches, some drinks, and more. I think. I got that off their website, because I haven't been to a McDonalds in about twelve years. I loved their chicken nuggets when I was a kid though.
I'm curious to hear if any of you are familiar with the French electroswing band Caravan Palace. I just started getting in to them and wanted to know how popular the band was in France. Are any of you fans of them?
Chez nous le Mac Donald n'st pas très cher, mais pas vraiment donnési on veut manger un repas complet.
Les restaurants sont plutôt propres, et fréquentés par toutes les classes sociales. On peut trouver des étudiants qui veulent manger rapidement, ou encore des familles de classes moyennes qui viennent y manger avant d'aller au cinéma par exemple. Ici quand on pense à Mac Donald, on pense d'abord à la facilité (drive, repas rapide) avant le prix.
Commentaires:
Les responses des Americains et des Francais sont tres similar. La France a eu une marque forte pour les Americains et les Francais. Ce sont la fondue savoyarde et la chocolatine?
Pour information, il y a une sorte de dispute sur le terme "chocolatine", qui n'est dit qu'aux alentours de Bordeaux, alors que dans le reste de la France, nous préférons plutôt le terme "pain au chocolat".
Je ne suis pas sûr de bien avoir bien compris le sens de ta phrase, mais effectivement, il y a beaucoup de plats typiques français, comme la fondue savoyarde/bourguignonne, le pain, le boeuf bourguignon, les escargots de bourgogne, etc...
Tout cela sans oublier la moutarde... de Dijon !
Sinon, je suis tout à fait d'accord avec JB, le mot chocolatine n'est strictement pas à retenir ! Il n'est utilisé que dans le bassin bordelais...